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"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile) 08/04/2014 at 18:01 • Filed to: None

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I want front discs on a '63 Ford, because four-lugs on tiny drums suck. There is a disc kit for Mustangs at CJ Pony, but it's front + rear and expensive, so balls to that. There's a kit available on eBay for front conversion, so I emailed about what parts it uses - being able to replace stuff is good. "GM 91 cleberty" pads and rotors - okay. "rotors are custom made" - DANGER WILL ROBINSON... or is it? Maybe not, because some AMC brake kits use that caliper and a Ranger rotor. It looks like the Ranger rotor would fit - worst case, I'd have to shim the caliper when changing the rotor - I think. Bolt pattern is correct, center hole's correct, offset is high and should be quite close. Do I risk it?

Note: I am aware that there is no such thing as a '91 Celebrity. The caliper looks like one for a '90 - same difference, I'd think.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/04/2014 at 18:23

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Fox Body Mustang kits?

lone_liberal > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/04/2014 at 18:36

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Could something like this work? http://www.discbrakeswap.com/Mustang%20Disc… It seems to be based on later Mustang brakes.

Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 08/04/2014 at 18:40

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64-68. Same spindles as the '63 Falcon six.

Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull > lone_liberal 08/04/2014 at 18:46

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That's actually a good bit more complete than the one I was looking at. Not quite as cheap, but hmmm....

Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull > lone_liberal 08/04/2014 at 19:04

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To further elaborate, I'm not convinced the spindle swap, tie rod setup change, and other stuff is completely worth being tied down to that specific master cylinder and so on. It's nice that it leaves you with actual Ford Mustang rotor compatibility, and the spindles might be stronger, but I'm not sure it's really necessary, given that they make you swap more stuff. I'm going to have to weigh the benefits on it for sure, because it's over double what the kit above goes for due to the V8 steering linkage swap, and might chain me to pricier rotor and pads in future. I'll need a better master cylinder and proportioning valve at some point, but I don't know if I want those specific ones.

More investigation is needed...

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull 08/04/2014 at 19:06

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http://www.mustangsunlimited.com/SubCat.asp?Cat…

lone_liberal > Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull 08/04/2014 at 19:07

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Oh definitely. That's not a project to do on a whim. I'd say the master cylinder and proportioning valve should be done with the disk swap, but that's just what I'd be comfortable with. YMMV.

Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 08/04/2014 at 19:50

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The only problem: none of those are five-lug/six-cylinder spindle, and here we arrive at the root of the problem. I have six-cylinder spindles. I have five lug hubs in rear. Most people, to resolve this, go to V8 spindles and steering setup, which in the setup token_liberal posted is all helpfully packaged for far cheaper than I'd seen it. However, that's "necessary" most for people who have stupidly heavy V8 swaps. I... do not. What I have is something like 50-80lb lighter than even a 289, so anything that offers me a way to use six-cylinder spindles isn't bad. The kit he linked is actually cheaper than most similar things I've seen, but it's still pricey... OTOH, it does use standard Ford parts. OTOOH, those standard Ford parts are a generation older than the parts in the kit that doesn't require a spindle swap.

If there's something off-the-shelf that will work for the disc, then it's a perfectly reasonable approach, even if the first swap from "custom" rotors would mean new bearings. If not, that means I'm tied to an eBay seller for rotors, which is retarded. In the mean while, the question arises: is the extra convenience of using *Ford* parts, the upgraded spindles, and upsized tie rods worth the ~$400 in effective price difference between the two kits(counting out the master cyl and prop. valve)? Maybe. Until he linked that, I thought the full spindle swap was even more of a price jump, so he's made it that much harder...

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull 08/04/2014 at 20:18

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Scroll down and there are six cylinder kits.

Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 08/04/2014 at 20:22

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Yes, I noticed. In fact, I was just talking about them. They're six-cylinder kits that keep everything *four lug*, and trying to then adapt that to five lug sucks reptile gonads. Straight-up six-cyl to five lug on that page? Appears not to exist.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull 08/04/2014 at 20:29

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sorry about that, the pictures are very blurry on mobile internet

Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 08/04/2014 at 20:59

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Not to worry, because JACKPOT.

Serviceable parts that don't require hub disassembly? Modern brake parts in use? A kit that's just a hub and bracket (all I need) per side? Yes, please.

Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull > lone_liberal 08/04/2014 at 21:01

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Check what I found. This'll allow me to do things a little more piecemeal, and uses swappable rotors.

Pixel > Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull 08/04/2014 at 22:45

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I was going to suggest scarebird. I used their 4-lug kit on my '62 Comet. It needed some tweaking here & there, but worked well overall.